In the last couple of years, feminism has found itself a new place in pop culture. Do you like the direction in which the discourse around feminism has gone since you put together Future Feminism at The Hole?

It’s difficult to be an artist and to try to develop some sort of political discourse. When we made Future Feminism, we had 13 Tenets. One of the tenets was, “The Future is Female.” We got into a lot of trouble in our underground arts community for saying that. But since the male has taken over for so many centuries, we felt that the scales were so imbalanced that we had to begin somewhere, and we thought, “let’s balance it with the female for a while.” We were so aggressively attacked by our community for having that perspective that some of us in the group, myself included, fell very ill after the show. People thought we were criticising feminism, or not being all-inclusive, but Future Feminism is about how we will survive as a race in the future. And our position was that we will soon have no world to live in to make any of our arguments, unless we start taking care of the harm that is being done to the planet.

The show also happened at a crucial moment – it seems like this whole big feminist conversation in entertainment and youth culture followed right after it. I’m thinking Lena Dunham and positive body image, Tavi Gevinson, Petra Collins and the Rookie people, Taylor Swift and Beyoncé. It’s cool that it's popular even if it’s just because people think it’s a trend. Celebrities are no better or worse in their opinions than some cool, alternative, not-for-profit martyr who you’d think is a diehard feminist and then turns out to be as stupid as any corporate slogan on a sweater. Whether it’s by someone on TV, a singer, a politician or an underground artist, the important thing is that feminist principles are set into action. When people try to reach for more evolved behavior, at a more humane level, it doesn’t devalue feminism. If we, here, in this little abject nook of the world think that we know more than others, we are wrong. People will always be just people – it’s the longevity and the execution of principles that matters the most. We never know who will change the world.